12-12-2012, 03:42 PM
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  • Teiste
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Many of you know my likes for boar brushes and also for the Semogue brand. Once on a while I get questions from members regarding which boar brush to get first , and how does some of those brushes compare to each other. I will try to bring more info with this post regarding some of my favorite boar brushes made by Semogue : 3 regular production ones (the 1305 , 1800 and 1250) and the Italian Barber Limited Edition brush.

First , I have to say that , if you dont know anything about boar brushes , please , read this guide written by a gentlemen who truly loves boar brushes and knows them very well :
A begginers guide to boar brushes ; the science of the boar brush.

Sometimes also I get the question what Semogue boar brush should I get first , the SOC or the 830.My answer always is , none of those two : if you never have tried a boar brush , go first for the 1305 or 1800/1250. And why is it that ? The SOC and the 830 needs a larger period of softening , yes , much larger than expected by many.Last week I got a 830 brush from Sharpspine (Brian) and he told me he thought the brush was fully break in.Well , it wasn't as I tested later.Yes , the SOC and the 830 are wonderful boar brushes , but if you never have experienced or have deal with a boar brush , go first for an Omega banded boar one , or if you choose Semogue , for the models Im reviewing today. Dont care if they tell me ,"but Im a bowl latherer and I thought the SOC..." , or , "Im a die hard face latherer and I did read that the 620".. Go for the ones I'm telling you , to experience the first boar love , get acquainted with it and, after that , let that boar love grow by getting other models.Biggrin

Let me introduce you the brushes :

Semogue 1305

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I have been enjoying this particular brush since January 2010 , so you can guess this brush have been used a lot.Previously I had another 1305 purchased in earlier 2009 , when vintagescent made them available online.This one has a different handle shape than the old 2009 model , and I think the new 1305 models.I have a brand new 1305 coming from Portugal , so I will let you know the handle differences (if any).

This brush has a boar knot of 90% premium tops , banded boar hair.If you are confused about the Semogue boar hair grades , check this guide : Semogue boar grades.

Knot is 22 mm (like the other ones) and loft around 56 mm

Semogue 1800


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I had this brush since latest 2010 , and yes , another one which have seen a lot of use.I used to prefer the 1305 , but this brush came , and it replaced my love for the 1305 after a week of use.

This boar brush contains extra 75% tops mixed with 90% premium tops boar hair , which I think is the mix that I enjoy the most.Is also a banded hair.

Knot of 22 mm and loft of 55 mm (a tiny little bit shorter than the 1305 loft).

Semogue 1250


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This is a very recent add to my den , just 4 months ago , and another one which proves that not always what you think of a product is what you get.I mean , I didn't even put too much consideration into this brush , since the 1800 was truly "satisfying me" very well , but this one is also a good mix between the 1305 and the 1800.This brush has 90% white best tops.

Knot of 22 mm and loft around 56 mm.

Semogue Italian Barber LE

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Love at first sight ! Blessed the day when the guys over at Italian Barber decided to order this special limited edition from Semogue. Its the most GORGEOUS handle that I own or have owned with no shadow of a doubt.The handle has the colors of the Italian Flag , so this brush has been re named it "Tricolore".

It has 90% premium tops , but this hair is different than the one from the 1305 from 2010 that I own.I would say this hair is a cross between the 1205 and the 1305.

Knot of 22mm and loft of 55 mm (I would say 54 in my brush).

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You can see that the brushes has the same handle style , which to me , is the best made by Semogue , over the SOC or even the acrylic handles ones.Its very easy and comfortable to hold it ,and while either of them are heavy , is not "plastic" light , like some cheap ones from China.The colors of the Italian Barber LE are simply stunning , but the 1305 is another beauty too.The 1800 and 1250 and more "sober" , since they only have varnish on them.

And what about the hair amount in each brush ? Lets have a look :

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I would say that the 1250 has the higher amount of boar hair , followed by the Italian Barber LE , the 1305 and the 1800.But the 1800 , since has 75% tops doesn't "splays" that much , so it can give us a visual effect of having less hair than the others.If it does , its not by much.

Here the 1305 with the 1800 from the top :

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and here the Italian Barber LE and the 1250 :

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Based on this measures , kind/type of boar , density of hair , what brush should you get if you are a bowl latherer or a face latherer , if you use hard soaps , sticks or creams? My answer , the one you like visually the most or the cheapest one that you can afford.

Why? Let me explain you :

Breaking process (softening)

The Semogue 1305 has the fame of being the fastest one to be fully ready (soft tips) of all.Well , I have experienced the same with the 1800 , Italian Barber and the 1250 : after a week , more than fully ready , and after 15 days , just perfect.

Which one has the softest tips ?


I will say the 1305 , but there is a trick on it , since I have been using this brush for almost 3 years now ! Do you know how soft the boar brushes tips could get with a year of regular use ? Let me tell you , like good silvertip : no scritch , scratch , or whatsoever , just soft tips.Yes , I know that badger scratchiness/scritchiness is not the same than the boar ones , but the 1305 has extra soft tips.

Are the other the same ? To my surprise , almost they are , yes ! Well , the Italian Barber LE have developed soft tips in basically , no time , while the 1800 and the 1250 still having some scritchiness (boar scrtichiness which is "pleasant" compared to badger one) , but they have soft tips.

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Which one has the strongest backbone

You could think , the 1800 , since is a mix of 75% and 90% boar hair? Well , no , but this could be since I have also used a lot the 1800 , and maybe its bristles have softened.The one I will say has the firmer backbone is the 1250 , after that is a tight between the Italian Barber and the 1800 and the last one the 1305.Does it means that the 1305 is a floppy brush ? No at all.It has backbone , but also more flow than the other ones.

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What are their weakest points and strong ones ?


Hard to say about the weakest points , to be honest.Maybe the Italian Barber LE and 1305 paint.You have to treat these brushes with care , don't let them fall or drop them , if you don't want to break/chip their paint.But , let say , I use them like any other brush , and no problem so far.

Strong points : they all can be used with hard soaps , sticks , shaving creams , and bowl and facelathering. I find that with creams , you need to add more water , but they all retain basically the same amount of water on the knot.Theyre inexpensive brushes , even the Italian Barber LE , which is 19 , 99 dollars , considering that is a limited edition , is a great price.

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What else can I say about the brushes ? Not much but that they're excellent ones , specially for their price point.Are you thinking to get your first boar brush and you fancy a Semogue brush? Look no further , and any of those 4 (until the Italian Barber LE is available) would please you.They have , and are still pleasing me.

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 12-12-2012, 03:58 PM
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Teiste ... beautiful review with lovely photos ... this is not good for my efforts to contain SBAD! The 1305 and Italian Barber LE are quite attractive.

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 12-12-2012, 03:59 PM
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Very nice Teiste, thank you!

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 12-12-2012, 04:01 PM
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(12-12-2012, 03:58 PM)Agravic Wrote: Teiste ... beautiful review with lovely photos ... this is not good for my efforts to contain SBAD! The 1305 and Italian Barber LE are quite attractive.

If you have the "urge" Biggrin to get one , get the Italian Barber LE , because , once theyre gone , they will be gone for good...Sad

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 12-12-2012, 04:12 PM
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now that's what we call a comparison. bravo, sir!

I have a lot of semogue boars that I haven't used yet. maybe I'll break out the 1305 for my next shave after tonight.

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 12-12-2012, 04:14 PM
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(12-12-2012, 04:12 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote: now that's what we call a comparison. bravo, sir!

I have a lot of semogue boars that I haven't used yet. maybe I'll break out the 1305 for my next shave after tonight.

My good friend : it just time for that 1305 that you own to see and feel some water on its bristles...Biggrin

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 12-12-2012, 04:25 PM
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Great write up Teiste!

I'm slowly reducing my den to a Semogue only club... Need to pick up one of those IBs.

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 12-12-2012, 04:50 PM
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Teiste my friend
Beautiful brushes, I love Semogue as you know, two new ones should be mine at Xmas too :-)

Wonderful wonderful review, thank you so much Amigo

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 12-12-2012, 04:52 PM
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(12-12-2012, 04:50 PM)tat2ralfy Wrote: Teiste my friend
Beautiful brushes, I love Semogue as you know, two new ones should be mine at Xmas too :-)

Wonderful wonderful review, thank you so much Amigo

Great too see you here , bro.I know you are a Semogue lover , as I am.Now my question to you , of those 4 , which you do you prefer the best ? Wink

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 12-12-2012, 05:15 PM
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I have asked Santa for a 1305, I asked before the LE came out though Cool

Thanks for the review

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 12-12-2012, 05:17 PM
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Well done Sir Teiste. The 1305 and the IB LE are two of my all time favorite brushes. I would make one more Semogue suggestion for a new boar convert, the Semogue 1460.

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 12-12-2012, 05:24 PM
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(12-12-2012, 04:52 PM)Teiste Wrote:
(12-12-2012, 04:50 PM)tat2ralfy Wrote: Teiste my friend
Beautiful brushes, I love Semogue as you know, two new ones should be mine at Xmas too :-)

Wonderful wonderful review, thank you so much Amigo

Great too see you here , bro.I know you are a Semogue lover , as I am.Now my question to you , of those 4 , which you do you prefer the best ? Wink

Well I only have the 1305 from these 4, I do love my 830, LE 2010 silver tip, and owners boar, if I had to choose my favourite boar would be the 830, delightful little brush, and the KE silver tip ranks as nice as my Thäter 2 band prototype.
I am such a sucker for Semogues lol

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 12-12-2012, 05:25 PM
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Great review. It is a good comparison and contrast between the the four so that the uninitiated buyer can learn from and decide which one is better for their desires.

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 12-12-2012, 05:29 PM
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Sorry T for not having it fully broken in. I hope you don't mind the process. Winky

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 12-12-2012, 05:30 PM
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(12-12-2012, 05:15 PM)Bowhnter Wrote: I have asked Santa for a 1305, I asked before the LE came out though Cool

Thanks for the review

You will enjoy it , Im sure.

(12-12-2012, 05:17 PM)Johnny Wrote: Well done Sir Teiste. The 1305 and the IB LE are two of my all time favorite brushes. I would make one more Semogue suggestion for a new boar convert, the Semogue 1460.

Thanks Johnny! Yes , the 146- is a very nice brush.I hope to make a Semogue small brushes comparison soon too (or maybe you can do it , my friend ! Biggrin )

(12-12-2012, 05:24 PM)tat2ralfy Wrote:
(12-12-2012, 04:52 PM)Teiste Wrote:
(12-12-2012, 04:50 PM)tat2ralfy Wrote: Teiste my friend
Beautiful brushes, I love Semogue as you know, two new ones should be mine at Xmas too :-)

Wonderful wonderful review, thank you so much Amigo

Great too see you here , bro.I know you are a Semogue lover , as I am.Now my question to you , of those 4 , which you do you prefer the best ? Wink

Well I only have the 1305 from these 4, I do love my 830, LE 2010 silver tip, and owners boar, if I had to choose my favourite boar would be the 830, delightful little brush, and the KE silver tip ranks as nice as my Thäter 2 band prototype.
I am such a sucker for Semogues lol

I know that and your love for the 830 , which is another great example of affordable brush and excellent performer.

(12-12-2012, 05:25 PM)GDCarrington Wrote: Great review. It is a good comparison and contrast between the the four so that the uninitiated buyer can learn from and decide which one is better for their desires.

Thanks Gary , that was the idea , since people ask me and Im sure most of their questions are answered here.

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 12-12-2012, 05:31 PM
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(12-12-2012, 05:29 PM)SharpSpine Wrote: Sorry T for not having it fully broken in. I hope you don't mind the process. Winky

Not at all , my friend. Thanks for the brush !

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 12-12-2012, 05:36 PM
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I got a 1305 about 6 months ago, and I haven't regretted it once.

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 12-12-2012, 06:00 PM
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Great review! Thanks

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 12-12-2012, 06:15 PM
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too late - dear Teiste - i ordered a SOC from Bruno yesterday - but i purchased it as an xmas present for someone special - so maybe i can "borrow" it when it is well broken in - about springtime Angel

this is a fantastic comparison - thanks!

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 12-12-2012, 06:18 PM
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Thanks for the great review, Teiste. I have been debating between the 1305, 1250, and IB LE for my next brush and this has been a great help.

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