01-17-2013, 04:55 AM
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  • Shaun
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Chaps

I have seen old Simpson advice not to soak the brush. I used to soak, but that was because I used boar in my shaving infancy and the behaviour continued.

I am interested to know if others soak or simply wet their badger brush before using it.

Is there any evidence that soaking will damage a badger brush (a well made brush, like a Simpson) ?

Personally, I am moving away from the soak-while-I-am-in-the-shower method, primarily because I have a nagging fear I might be causing a problem, but I have also found that with a badger brush it just doesn't make much difference anyway. Boar, or course, is another matter entirely.

Having said that, I have recently worked out I have to do something a little different again with the Chubby 2... but that's another story.

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 01-17-2013, 06:23 AM
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  • ben74
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I don't soak my badgers...

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 01-17-2013, 06:54 AM
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  • Attila
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Interesting...I thought one should always soak their brush before use. I'm interested to see others' oppinions and reasons now.

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 01-17-2013, 06:56 AM
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  • TexBilly
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I soak. Zero evidence of any harm to the knot.

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 01-17-2013, 07:18 AM
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i just wet all my brushes before using. Never soak them any more.
Never have any issues, now, and i even use cold water. Works fine with boars, also.
However, YMMV, of course.

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 01-17-2013, 07:27 AM
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  • ben74
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Simpsons Shaving Brush instructions...

   

   

"wetting" as opposed to "soaking"

Vulfix Shaving Cream instructions...

   

"rinse" as opposed to "soak"

BUT as with most things, do whats best for you!

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 01-17-2013, 07:32 AM
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I soak, but just for a minute or two while I'm throwing a pre-shave on and choosing my soap. I also use heavy circular motions, so my brushes should all be falling apart any day now.

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 01-17-2013, 07:39 AM
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(01-17-2013, 07:32 AM)jpipes3 Wrote: I soak, but just for a minute or two while I'm throwing a pre-shave on and choosing my soap. I also use heavy circular motions, so my brushes should all be falling apart any day now.

I doubt they will fall apart, but what can happen (more so with "heavy" as opposed to "circular") are holes forming in the knot where the hairs are broken...

   

A paint brush style stroke is usually associated with lighter pressure, hence seen as less likely to cause damage to the hairs...

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 01-17-2013, 07:46 AM
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  • ben74
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Another guide to use...

   

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 01-17-2013, 07:47 AM
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Thäter instructions...
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The instructions that Ben posted are from the Sommerset era...Simpson instructions, nowadays (Vulfix era), are a little more "condensed"... here's what came with my Duke 3:

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...and with my D R Harris H2 best badger:

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But I end up to soak them for a little while, a couple minutes - nevertheless I think that doesn't affect the performance or the durability of the brush. Just a habit of mine, it's part of the ritual, because I used exclusively boars for more than a decade...

Bottom-line? Well, do as it works best for you, and as pleases you the most!

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 01-17-2013, 08:04 AM
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I soak my badgers for 2-3 minutes in warm water in my scuttle, not HOT water....

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 01-17-2013, 08:05 AM
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I just wet it under the tap.....

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 01-17-2013, 08:06 AM
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(01-17-2013, 08:04 AM)CHSeifert Wrote: I soak my badgers for 2-3 minutes in warm water in my scuttle, not HOT water....

This! Cool

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 01-17-2013, 08:10 AM
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This must be another instance of brush manufacturers erring on the side of caution, which I certainly understand. As others have pointed out, Thäter tells you not to face lather!

I think the soaking issue may have a lot to do with water hardness. I recently added a water softener to our house, so I have experience before and after. It takes a much longer "soak" to get the brush ready if it is all gummed up with residue resulting from hard water. My brushes would almost repel water before they were soaked for 5-10 min. Soft water doesn't cause that same build up, so the brush seems to be cleaner and more readily takes on water without a long soak. So, one guy saying he doesn't need to soak his brush might sound like nonsense to someone with very hard water. So yeah...YMMV. I'm sure there are other variables, too.

I still soak my brushes for a few minutes, but ONLY about 2/3 of the bristles. I've taken to shaving at night with cold water, so I let it soak (in warmish water) as I am getting everything ready.

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 01-17-2013, 08:12 AM
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(01-17-2013, 08:05 AM)alex2363 Wrote: I just wet it under the tap.....

Me too!

But I do occasionally let my badger/boar mix brushes soak for up to a couple of minutes while I shower. However, it doesn't seem to make much of a difference if I only soak them for up to about 30 seconds...

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 01-17-2013, 08:24 AM
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  • Attila
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Great info. Thanks everyone.

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 01-17-2013, 10:47 AM
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  • vuk
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Thanks for the pictures and info. I always wet my brush under the tap for about 30 seconds before I use it and its always worked fine.

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 01-17-2013, 12:19 PM
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  • Howler
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Great discussion, excellent first hand information. Still learning after nearly three years and improving.

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 01-17-2013, 12:51 PM
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(01-17-2013, 08:04 AM)CHSeifert Wrote: I soak my badgers for 2-3 minutes in warm water in my scuttle, not HOT water....

+1
Great pictures thanks for all..

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 01-17-2013, 12:58 PM
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(01-17-2013, 07:39 AM)ben74 Wrote: I doubt they will fall apart, but what can happen (more so with "heavy" as opposed to "circular") are holes forming in the knot where the hairs are broken...

A paint brush style stroke is usually associated with lighter pressure, hence seen as less likely to cause damage to the hairs...

I just had that 'hole' happen to my new horse, used ~5-6 times. I am seeing if it can be rectified now.

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