01-17-2013, 09:21 AM
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I've always liked handles made from natural materials, like horn or wood. Recently I got this olivewood handle for a shaving brush. It was made by some artisan in Israel, with wood from olive trees from the Holy Land! Cool! Cool

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Upon receiving the handle, I bought a 26mm Finest XH knot from TGN. After 5 days, the knot arrived, all the way from Arizona to Portugal.

Some of you are certainly way more experienced than I with this TGN knots, for sure. Smile The question is: what loft should I set it? What do you recommend?

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 01-17-2013, 09:52 AM
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  • mikeperry
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Hi Emanuel

First, that handle is absolutely stunning, from the grain in the wood, to the handle shape...

I'd recommend temporarily putting the knot as low as possible in the handle, see how it looks, then begin moving the knot up, checking how it looks at each loft height. Trust your eyes and gut, they will tell you when you find the right loft height for the brush.

Seeing as The Golden Nib knots have a 8mm high plug, I like to see 12mm minimum embedment into a handle (though I believe you can get away with 10mm, but I definitely wouldn't go less than that).

If the knot you got is this one and the overall 65mm loft height is correct (I've found the overall loft height is normally 2mm to 3mm longer than quoted), I'd say somewhere in the 50mm to 53mm final loft height range will give you an excellent shaving brush.

But if you find the overall loft height is longer than the quoted 65mm, going up to a final loft of 55mm might very well workout nicely.

Also look at how the knot fits into the knot hole, I've found you don't want to be forcing the knot down into the knot hole. A knot hole of 1mm to 2mm larger in diameter than the knot itself seems to give best results (IMHO) ie You might have to widen the knot hole very slightly to achieve the perfect fit.

Good luck, I look forward to seeing the completed brush and hearing how it performs.

Take care, Mike

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 01-17-2013, 09:55 AM
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  • DoubleB
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Very nice handle, Emanuel!

I agree with Mike. It depends a bit if you want to use it for face lathering, bowl lathering or both.

For face lathering - ~51
Bowl lathering - ~55
Using the brush for both - ~53

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 01-17-2013, 10:05 AM
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Wow, what a handle! Man, that is beautiful!
Since i face lather, i would recommend 49mm
For bowl-lathering 53mm
Wow, i can't wait to see pictures of the finished product!

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 01-17-2013, 10:13 AM
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  • MickToley
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(01-17-2013, 10:05 AM)celestino Wrote: Wow, what a handle! Man, that is beautiful!
Since i face lather, i would recommend 49mm
For bowl-lathering 53mm
Wow, i can't wait to see pictures of the finished product!

Sounds good to me for face lathering.

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 01-17-2013, 04:33 PM
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Thank you for your words, gentlemen!

Yes, it all comes down to your personal preferences, of course. And it is always nice to hear your opinions. In fact, it was exactly these type of opinions that I wanted to read when I opened this thread! Smile

Yes, I've been playing a little with the knot and handle. Visually, a loft of ~52/53mm seems the spot for me - I mainly bowl-lather, but I also face-lather sometimes, and I really appreciate versatile shaving brushes.
The knot is exactly as you predicted - 3mm more, for a total length of 68mm.

The original hole size on the handle is nearly ~27mm - and the knot fits nicely, without the need to force it or push it. It seems that there is no need to grab the Dremel, and that I can use the handle as is, but I will take a closer look at it. Smile

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 01-17-2013, 04:53 PM
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  • mikeperry
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Hi Emanuel

Sounds good Thumbsup

How about sharing a photo of the brush with the knot temporarily set at a loft height of 53mm? Mainly because I would like to ogle that stunningly beautiful handle again Tongue

Take care, Mike

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 01-17-2013, 05:21 PM
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Beautiful handle and I agree with starting at 53 mm for the test loft.

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 01-18-2013, 02:41 AM
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Here's the first test. Loft set @ 53mm, no glue whatsoever yet.

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Sorry about the photo, it is pretty bad, the pic was taken at night...
But the brush is starting to look - it looks like the cousin of the SOC 2-band W00t I always wanted to have an olivewood handle, and this one is extremely ergonomic, at least to my hands.
More tests to follow during the weekend...Smile

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 01-18-2013, 08:12 AM
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  • mikeperry
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(01-18-2013, 02:41 AM)oversaturn Wrote: Here's the first test. Loft set @ 53mm, no glue whatsoever yet.

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Hi Emanuel

Thank you for posting the photo Smile

To me it looks (about) right...

I don't believe going with a lower loft height would work (though I could be wrong on that).

Maybe going up 2mm to 3mm in loft height might work out nicely, really depends on how much flow through and bloom you want from the brush...

That handle gets better and better looking the more I see it. Stunning! Babeando

Take care, Mike

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 01-19-2013, 02:15 PM
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  • RedNight
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Wow. What a handle!A47

That is one of the most beautiful handles I've seen since I am in wetshaving world.

I prefer lower loft for face lathering, but 52/53mm loft might work really well. Wink

I am going to ask you to post photos as soon as you have finished the job. Cool

Um abraço!

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 02-06-2013, 05:58 AM
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Well, as promised, here's some photos of the finished brush.

For those you don't remember, I bought an olivewood handle on ebay, made by an artisan from Jerusalem, Israel. Then, I bought a TGN Finest Badger XH 26mm knot.

Finally I took the time to glue the two things together, using epoxy glue. I was aiming to a loft around 53mm, in order to get some backbone and some kind of a "controlled" bloom. After a lot of measuring, and all the gluing, it ended up with 52mm, a tiny little less than what I was aiming, but hey - no need to be so picky with these things. Laughing1

Here's what it looked like, right after the gluing and curing process:

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And after a couple of latherings, it is already starting to bloom:

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It has a great amount of backbone, and a controlled bloom. A couple of millimetres more in the loft would not be a bad idea, but I'm really enjoying it as it is.

I've already tried it this morning, along with some "Savon des Volcans" (a French artisan hard soap) and it produced a huge amount of thick lather with ease, enough for 3 passes, comfort lather, and more...

This brush was born to be a soap killer! W00tAaaaa

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 02-06-2013, 06:23 AM
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  • Kavik79
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Babeando

looks great!

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 02-06-2013, 06:41 AM
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  • Johnny
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Emanuel, that is a stunning brush.

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 02-06-2013, 07:16 AM
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Just about as good as it gets - stunner. Smile

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 02-06-2013, 08:36 AM
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  • blzrfn
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Keep us posted, I have one of those handles on the way as well and may just copy your brush. That handle does look wonderful, I hope the finish holds up as that is my only concern.

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 02-06-2013, 08:38 AM
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  • Songwind
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Beautiful brush. That artisan still has those handles on sale, too. I might just have to pick up some parts for a brush for Ladysea.

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 02-06-2013, 10:06 AM
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  • mikeperry
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(02-06-2013, 05:58 AM)oversaturn Wrote: Well, as promised, here's some photos of the finished brush...

Hi Emanuel

Stunning! Simply stunning! Clap

Take care, Mike

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 02-06-2013, 10:15 AM
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That is a superb looking brush! I really like the look of olive wood. The knot looks like you set it perfectly for that handle. Enjoy!

Dang it...resistance is futile...that brush handle is too beautiful for me not to have one. I ordered one...actually 2 Facepalm. That seller actually has a lot of other beautiful Olive Wood pieces...pen blanks, candle holders, etc.

Thank you Oversaturn for sharing this stunning handle!

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 02-06-2013, 02:10 PM
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That is beautiful! Those larger finest knots sure look good!

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