01-23-2013, 07:28 PM
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  • Shaun
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I do not own an open comb, and I hear that the R41 ia a) an open comb b) a semi-open comb c) mild or d) agressive. I also hear there is the pre-2011 model and the 2011 model. Possibly an earlier model again (?) Then I read there is the R101 which some say a) has an identical head to the R41 (but which year) and b) a different head to the R41 (again, which year/model?).

Am I confused? YES!

Can anyone please ewplain the differences, other than handle differences?

Part of the issue also has to do with identifying which R41 on sale on a vendor's site will have a picture....but how do I know which year it is? Which particular version of the R41?

Pretty messy, I realise, but I don't think it's just my personal muddle. Is it?

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 01-23-2013, 07:31 PM
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  • beartrap
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2011 and after R41 is a "toothcomb", OC razor and the most aggressive I have tried. I'll let others answer 2011 and before models.

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 01-23-2013, 07:40 PM
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  • ben74
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R41 and R101 refer to the same razor head, the only difference is the handle (colour, material etc...) the head doesn't change (except over generations: 2010 versus 2011 models)

The pre 2010 model was OPEN COMB.
Effective and forgiving.
   
R41 Open comb (2010)
   
R101 Open comb (2010)

The post 2011 model is TOOTH COMB.
Aggressive and unforgiving.
   
R41 Tooth comb (2011)
   
R101 Tooth comb (2011)

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 01-23-2013, 07:49 PM
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  • Shaun
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So, the R101 has the same head as the 2011 R41 only?

Is the 2010 R41 more aggressive than the DE89? (I have the DE89, as the Edwin Jagger, which is good but a little mild for me.

If the 101 is the same as the 2011 R41, then I have to say I prefer the chrome look, although I hear the black handle is slightly heavier. Trouble is, the 2011 sounds a little bit on the extreme side, and I have a GEM 1912 which will do me nicely if I want that level of aggressiveness.

If the 2010 101 is slightly more forgiving that the 2011, does it shave more closely than the DE89? If so, are they still available anywhere?

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 01-23-2013, 07:51 PM
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  • ben74
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The EJ DE89 is a safety bar (also referred to as closed comb) and is different to both open comb and tooth comb. It is very similar to the Muhle R89.

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 01-23-2013, 07:52 PM
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  • Arcadies
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There was also the 2008/2009 R41, which was basically just a contracted Fatip.

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 01-23-2013, 08:09 PM
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Shaun, the 2010 models are a bit hard to find as i don't think they are being produced any longer. The heads are very similar to the Merkur open-comb heads, such as the 1904 and the 23C, in my opinion, as i have tried both.
The 2011 R41 comes in different handles; chrome, black resin and white resin ones.
Here is a good site to see the different handles offered with the 2011 R41 head: http://connaughtshaving.com/muehleclassic.html
The 2011 R41 is the most "aggressive" DE razor that i have tried; not much comes close to it, in my opinion. If you don't like "aggressive" razors, i would stay away from it unless you want to experiment. Good luck.

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 01-23-2013, 08:14 PM
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  • Shaun
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Thanks everyone, most informative discussion.

Sounds interesting. I don't mind an aggressive shave; just trying to work out if the 2011 R41 shaves less agressively than the Gem SE. The Gem really inflamed my skin, but I was shaving too aggressively myself. I have toned down with it now and NEVER go ATG!

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 01-23-2013, 08:26 PM
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  • ben74
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My aggressiveness scale:

Most aggressive:
R41 (2011 tooth comb)

Quite aggressive:
Tradere OC, SB

Aggressive:
FaTip, Joris

Not aggressive:
R41 (2010 open comb)

Mild:
DE89, R89

Very mild:
Goodfella

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 01-23-2013, 08:34 PM
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Shaun, the R41 makes the 1912 seem like a walk in the park. It has a much higher level of aggression. Too, even extremely aggressive SE razors have a blade w/o flex. The R41 has an unnerving feeling of the blade flexing. That blade flexing and blade exposure can be simulated. If you have a gillette adjustable put it on setting 9 and close the doors. Don't fully torque the blade down. Looking at the side of the razor you'll see the point where the doors close and the blade is held in place, but if you go further the blade begins to be forced into curve. You want just a slight curving of the blade. You don't want to fully torque the blade down. That'll get you near an R41 aggression level. Go easy. You'll have all sorts of blade exposure. It'll also give you a feel of the blade flexing of the R41. Not exact, but close. Use perfect technique if you do this. Also be aware that it will very easily turn and loosen up, so I'd be reluctant to use it for a full shave.

Yes, I did it when I was looking for a more aggressive razor than the razors I was using at the time. FWIW, I only made it 2 strokes, then I decided I'd had enough. The blade flexing just gave me the shivers. Biggrin Then the wife got me an R41 and I love it. Each time I return to it the first couple of strokes give me the willies because of the blade flexing, then I recognize it as an old friend and just enjoy the shave.

BTW, when I did the gillette adjustable stunt I reported it on another forum. It was told I was either incredibly stupid or had a huge pair. I tell you that just so you know what you're getting into if you try it. Don't even think of using anything less than the sharpest smoothest blade in your inventory. It may seem the wrong thing to do, but it's precisely what is required. The blade must cut the stubble and not chatter along the skin.

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 01-23-2013, 09:31 PM
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  • Andrew
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And let's not forget the R41 Grande, with the heavier handle.

Shaun, I don't think the R41 is anything to be intimidated by. In fact, you might really like it. As long as you have that "no pressure" technique down, the R41 is unlikely to bite.

Have you considered an adjustable like the Merkur Progress?

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 01-23-2013, 10:10 PM
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  • Shaun
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Hi chaps, such an informative group of like-minded guys; it is just SO cool having you all to correspond with. I know NO-ONE in r/l here in Australia who wet shaves. I tell people I do and they look at me as if I am some kind of wacko.

I have a couple of adjustables (Gillette Fat Boy / Slim ...isn't that the name of a band?) and I have tried them turned up to eleven Smile I didn't mind this setting a bit, really.

IMO the Slim gives the better shave, but the Fatso looks cooler. Why a better shave? Because I can get it under my nose more easily, right at the lower 'rim' of the nostril (gives me an idea..we should have a competition to see who has the best name for that little spot Smile I believe the R41 does this very well indeed. The Gem in that area is like messing around with something seriously wrong, hence my researches into the R41. I wonder, though, seeing as there have been so many versions from Muhle, if they will bring out a 2013 model? Somewhere in between the 2010 and 2011 but leaning to the 2011 sounds perfect.

Or should I just stick to the Gillette? (That's a bit like shaving apostasy, I realise...i.e. why do that when I could get ANOTHER razor Smile

Thanks again guys.

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 01-23-2013, 11:53 PM
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Get the R41. You know you want to!

Rumor has it that the Muhle R41 '13 is going to be a simple pair of opposing fingers holding a bare blade. OK, I just made that up.

Seriously, you're ready for an '11 R41.

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 01-24-2013, 01:10 AM
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  • Shaun
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In for a penny...maybe the Grande Smile Connaught looks good.

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