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New Cadet Razor Models
10-25-2012, 01:22 PM
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New Cadet Razor Models
Check some of them out at the Vendor section. According to Joe @ shaveabuck there will be a total of about 30 models. The heads lock the same but the handles are all new. Accordingly they are not for sale at this timeConfused
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10-25-2012, 05:13 PM (This post was last modified: 10-25-2012 07:46 PM by VerbaVolant.)
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RE: New Cadet Razor Models
This is reassuring to see this vendor supported by this community and forum.
I bought a Cadet Open Comb from Joe after he emailed me letting me know that his Cadet OC heads are made of solid brass.
Reading several posts from members that cut the center post and reporting back, it is my understanding they found the material being zinc alloy (pot metal).
It is disheartening to say the least but trust the fellows that support this business.

I am posting this with the hope I can get more feedback from Cadet owners, not to put shaveabuck and its owner in a difficult position.
Just to be clear, I do not want another pot metal razor and this is why I first asked shaveabuck prior to placing the order.
The order has not arrived yet.

Any thoughts on the level of Customer Service received by other members from Shave a Buck?
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10-25-2012, 08:05 PM
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RE: New Cadet Razor Models
If the head of my Cadet OC is pot metal, it's the best pot metal I've seen...

I think some of the confusion over the material used in the Cadets boils down to the fact that brass is what I call a "sack term" - many very different things are brass, and some of them don't have the traditional brass colour. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc; if you also add arsenic or tin you'll get DZR brass which has a colour closer to a ferrometal.

Pot metal on the other hand is another catch all; usually it refers to low quality zinc alloys. The cheap and cheerful YUMA from Turkey is a great example of a pot metal razor... and it works great.

Bottom line? The Cadets are good razors of good quality - despite being quite cheap.
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10-25-2012, 08:26 PM
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RE: New Cadet Razor Models
(10-25-2012 08:05 PM)WegianWarrior Wrote:  If the head of my Cadet OC is pot metal, it's the best pot metal I've seen...

I think some of the confusion over the material used in the Cadets boils down to the fact that brass is what I call a "sack term" - many very different things are brass, and some of them don't have the traditional brass colour. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc; if you also add arsenic or tin you'll get DZR brass which has a colour closer to a ferrometal.

Pot metal on the other hand is another catch all; usually it refers to low quality zinc alloys. The cheap and cheerful YUMA from Turkey is a great example of a pot metal razor... and it works great.

Bottom line? The Cadets are good razors of good quality - despite being quite cheap.

Thanks for your input. Is your Cadet head "solid brass" ?
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10-25-2012, 08:42 PM
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RE: New Cadet Razor Models
It's not pot metal at least - at least not what is normally meant by that term.

My judgement call on it - based on the look, feel and heft - is that the whole razor is a copper-zinc alloy, quite possible a DRZ brass.
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10-25-2012, 08:47 PM
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You mean DZR ?
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10-25-2012, 08:53 PM
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Yeah... not enough coffee I suspect.
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10-26-2012, 02:25 AM (This post was last modified: 10-26-2012 02:29 AM by EHV.)
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RE: New Cadet Razor Models
VV,

The three piece models have a chrome over brass handle and a chrome over zinc alloy head.

The TTO models have both a chrome over brass handle and head.

This is mentioned on RazoRock's site and RazoRock Joe is selling the same razors with the RazoRock re-branding.
If I recall correctly, Joe from Shaveabuck clarified this also but forgive me, I cannot find where that is.

I have both a three piece and a TTO Cadet and I don't see any difference in the quality of them, both being excellent and great value for the $$$. I have another TTO in the mail from RazoRock.
All of the new, different handle variations above look terrific!

Edit to add in response to your query that I received outstanding customer service from Shaveabuck when I placed my order.
Joe communicated immediately and then again upon shipping and the order was received rapidly.

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This is reassuring to see this vendor supported by this community and forum.
I bought a Cadet Open Comb from Joe after he emailed me letting me know that his Cadet OC heads are made of solid brass.
Reading several posts from members that cut the center post and reporting back, it is my understanding they found the material being zinc alloy (pot metal).
It is disheartening to say the least but trust the fellows that support this business.

I am posting this with the hope I can get more feedback from Cadet owners, not to put shaveabuck and its owner in a difficult position.
Just to be clear, I do not want another pot metal razor and this is why I first asked shaveabuck prior to placing the order.
The order has not arrived yet.

Any thoughts on the level of Customer Service received by other members from Shave a Buck?
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10-26-2012, 03:03 AM
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RE: New Cadet Razor Models
I just wanted to say a good word for customer service for Shave A Buck. I had placed an order over the summer and it got lost. Pretty much as soon I contacted Joe he had a replacement order in the mail and it arrived in no time.
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10-26-2012, 06:14 AM
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RE: New Cadet Razor Models
(10-26-2012 02:25 AM)EHV Wrote:  VV,

The three piece models have a chrome over brass handle and a chrome over zinc alloy head...
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Thank you EHV for info. So there is a clear distinction between handle (made of brass) and head (made of zinc alloy). I gather that if the head would be same material as the handle our vendors would say that. Since it is not, I believe it is fair to say the head is not made of brass.

Just for clarification, I consider Customer Service the whole experience, not just ordering and fast shipping. After-sale Customer Service is what differentiate vendors, in my opinion of course.
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10-27-2012, 11:59 AM (This post was last modified: 10-27-2012 12:02 PM by Mynorx.)
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RE: New Cadet Razor Models
If they shave well and are a good value, It really doesn't matter what kind of metal they are made out of. The only material that would worry me would be lead.

BTW. I've dealt with overseas companies before, and sometimes they "Forget" or don't think its important to let you know the whole story behind the product. So I wouldn't blame the vendors too much.
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10-27-2012, 12:18 PM
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(10-27-2012 11:59 AM)Mynorx Wrote:  If they shave well and are a good value, It really doesn't matter what kind of metal they are made out of. The only material that would worry me would be lead.

BTW. I've dealt with overseas companies before, and sometimes they "Forget" or don't think its important to let you know the whole story behind the product. So I wouldn't blame the vendors too much.

Mynorx, I hope this is right but I spend my money the way I want. And to me it does matter what metal they are made of.
I placed my order with a reputable company supported by this board and I did not blame anyone.
Next time this happens to you, I hope you remember this thread.
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10-27-2012, 12:28 PM
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(10-27-2012 12:18 PM)VerbaVolant Wrote:  
(10-27-2012 11:59 AM)Mynorx Wrote:  If they shave well and are a good value, It really doesn't matter what kind of metal they are made out of. The only material that would worry me would be lead.

BTW. I've dealt with overseas companies before, and sometimes they "Forget" or don't think its important to let you know the whole story behind the product. So I wouldn't blame the vendors too much.

Mynorx, I hope this is right but I spend my money the way I want. And to me it does matter what metal they are made of.
I placed my order with a reputable company supported by this board and I did not blame anyone.
Next time this happens to you, I hope you remember this thread.

You are right about spending your money on whatever you want. and you should get exactly what you where told you where gonna get. If you don't then just get rid of it and don't deal with that company again. That's what I do.
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10-28-2012, 10:32 PM
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RE: New Cadet Razor Models
I was told that he three-piece razors have a zinc alloy head and brass handle, where the twist-to-open are completely made of brass.
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10-29-2012, 09:28 AM
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RE: New Cadet Razor Models
(10-28-2012 10:32 PM)Barbieredfigaro Wrote:  I was told that he three-piece razors have a zinc alloy head and brass handle, where the twist-to-open are completely made of brass.

Thank you Eric.
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11-01-2012, 07:20 AM
Post: #16
RE: New Cadet Razor Models
I see Phil (BullGoose) carries Cadet line so I am sure he could shed some light over this issue.
Is it "solid" brass or some alloy? We are talking about the three piece razor heads.
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11-01-2012, 10:40 AM
Post: #17
RE: New Cadet Razor Models
(11-01-2012 07:20 AM)VerbaVolant Wrote:  I see Phil (BullGoose) carries Cadet line so I am sure he could shed some light over this issue.
Is it "solid" brass or some alloy? We are talking about the three piece razor heads.

Since the Cadets, Matadors and RazoRock all are from the same OEM the heads are chrome over zinc alloy.

As EVH has mentioned above, Italian Barber has listed what material the razors are made from within the product description of each razor.

I would think if a vendor told you that where constructed of solid brass when in fact they are not they should offer you a complete refund. I know it is only $20-$30, but I take misrepresentation seriously. Just my two cents.

What I do not understand is that if the OEM manufacturer is able to supply the materials to one vendor, they should be able to supply it to them all so these types of problems do not happen.
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11-01-2012, 10:51 AM
Post: #18
RE: New Cadet Razor Models
This is what the OEM vendor says:

"Dear Eric

Double edge razor heads are made of zinc alloys and handles are made of brass.

Twist to open razors are completely made of Brass.

Thanks & Regards"

Furthermore, I have reason to believe that if they say that razors are "completely made of brass", they mean solid brass.

I really don't know if this has always been made clear by the vendor. It may very well be a valid point that has been brought up here, but we have bought and sold many razors without an exact description of materials used.

It may be that prices are such that in comparison these razors are very cheap, but as far as metals used is concerned, I think that other manufacturers will have a hard time offering this quality.
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11-12-2012, 09:54 PM
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I refused to accept delivery for the shaveabuck order two weeks ago and emailed Joe again. I do not have other means of communicating with him and my last email remains without reply. Will see where this goes but definitely did not expect this from a vendor that displays The Shave Nook logo and is supported by this community.
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11-13-2012, 08:29 AM
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RE: New Cadet Razor Models
So unlike Joe at Shaveabuck (Re: VerbaVolant)...I would venture to say he might still be out of power considering some parts of NJ are still dark...He's always been prompt with delivery
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