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New Weber Razor Stainless Steel "Wave" Handle
09-01-2012, 12:17 PM (This post was last modified: 09-01-2012 12:19 PM by razorx.)
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RE: New Weber Razor Stainless Steel "Wave" Handle
(09-01-2012 10:41 AM)biggiej42 Wrote:  
(09-01-2012 09:34 AM)razorx Wrote:  
(09-01-2012 08:36 AM)VerbaVolant Wrote:  Just wondering if this is your idea of "perfect":




I have not shaved with the Weber and returned it to the manufacturer. I must confess that my idea of perfect razor would be a merkur design head in stainless and the current price tag.

First of all if I want to thread something with a bit of weight to it such as stainless steel in properly I wouldn't hold it horizontally as shown in that video unless seeking to exagerrate,seems it would be more sensible to hold it vertically,align the handle and head and let gravity work it's magic as you turn the handle.

Yeah I noted some play in my Weber as it threaded together and also made the observation that a lot of my vintage Gillette 3 piece razors do the same exact thing the same exact way.I guess the difference is they didn't have youtube video back then,King Gillette's dead and there's no one else left alive from that era to go to for a refund.

The Weber handle screwed on tight and fully secure at lockdown and stayed that way until the next blade change.
His video shows perfectly the quality of the machining of the latest webers. My weber arc head had to have the threads chased before I even attached it to a handle. There was so much coating on it, it felt as if it was cross threaded in.

This isn't an Ikon vs Weber thread. Yes, both the bamboo/wave handles and bulldog handles look very similar, but who cares. Buy the one that works. According to all of my experiences with both companies, i've found the Ikon products far surpass the webers in craftsmanship, detail, and quality. I also had a similar problem with an arc head. Wormtracks, and horrible threading.

Bottom line, Weber is making a wave handle, function over form (unless you like the look). However, NONE of us have this new handle as of yet to verify anything. Any and all comments to this point are pure speculation. It would be nice to know if the build quality is going to follow suit with the rest of weber's products.

biggiej42: Is that the way you attached your Weber handle to the ARC head ? What sense does that make ? Almost a sure way to guarantee blade misalignment if you did.

See my first post in this thread,if anyone's being realistic,fair and even handed to both companies it would be me.
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09-01-2012, 12:33 PM
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RE: New Weber Razor Stainless Steel "Wave" Handle
(08-31-2012 01:01 PM)Dave Wrote:  Wow that looks pretty close to the Bamboo handle from iKon

That is exactly what I am thinking and right on the heels of them copying the Bulldog handle. Confused
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09-01-2012, 12:50 PM
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RE: New Weber Razor Stainless Steel "Wave" Handle
razorx, whoever made that video did not intend to show you how to assembly your razor. Only to show the threading issue since, like other customers noticed, he probably considered this "play" excessive.
And for that purpose the video does just that. At least this is how it looks to me.
One would only need basic fastener theory knowledge to understand and calculate the triangle and other parameters of the fastener. It is possible the razor I briefly owned had a wrong handle or mismatched. It is possible the fellow that made the video had the handle from the same batch. Who knows?
What I believe is that, in my case, the threads of the head and/or the handle would have ended up stripped much sooner than expected.
As to King Gillette's luck to not have internet largely available to all his customers... I totally agree.
I also noticed the world is changing, and some would call it progress.
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09-01-2012, 03:06 PM
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RE: New Weber Razor Stainless Steel "Wave" Handle
(09-01-2012 12:50 PM)VerbaVolant Wrote:  razorx, whoever made that video did not intend to show you how to assembly your razor. Only to show the threading issue since, like other customers noticed, he probably considered this "play" excessive.
And for that purpose the video does just that. At least this is how it looks to me.
One would only need basic fastener theory knowledge to understand and calculate the triangle and other parameters of the fastener. It is possible the razor I briefly owned had a wrong handle or mismatched. It is possible the fellow that made the video had the handle from the same batch. Who knows?
What I believe is that, in my case, the threads of the head and/or the handle would have ended up stripped much sooner than expected.
As to King Gillette's luck to not have internet largely available to all his customers... I totally agree.
I also noticed the world is changing, and some would call it progress.

razorx, whoever made that video did not intend to show you how to assembly your razor. Only to show the threading issue since, like other customers noticed, he probably considered this "play" excessive.And for that purpose the video does just that. At least this is how it looks to me.


Yeah what is "the purpose of that video" If the video wasn't based on what takes place when the razor is being assembled properly then it's being assembled improperly much like made for TV drama.

One would only need basic fastener theory knowledge to understand and calculate the triangle and other parameters of the fastener.


Does that mean you're prepared to provide all necessary calculations you've performed on Weber Razors and list the appropriate parameters for us here for our enlightenment ?

It is possible the razor I briefly owned had a wrong handle or mismatched. It is possible the fellow that made the video had the handle from the same batch. Who knows? What I believe is that, in my case, the threads of the head and/or the handle would have ended up stripped much sooner than expected.



I own 80 year old razors that thread together in much the same way as the Webers and I expect they'll keep doing so for another couple of generations.

As to King Gillette's luck to not have internet largely available to all his customers... I totally agree.I also noticed the world is changing, and some would call it progress.


In reality a vast number of the changing world's (As you described it) customers would call "progress" canned goo and a 5 bladed Fusion.Traditional shavers are a very small minority and the ones who are buying contemporary stainless steel razors such as we're discussing here would likely not fill one football stadium.
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09-01-2012, 03:17 PM
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I've never had any problems with the quality of my Webers. No problem connecting handle to head. No wobble. No flash. If that was flash in the photo, it seems minor and has nothing to do with the shaveability.
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09-01-2012, 03:22 PM
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(09-01-2012 03:17 PM)lindyhop66 Wrote:  I've never had any problems with the quality of my Webers. No problem connecting handle to head. No wobble. No flash. If that was flash in the photo, it seems minor and has nothing to do with the shaveability.

I think you bring up a key point here, shaveability. The Weber razors are highly regarded as great performing tools, as are iKon. iKon, however, are generally twice the price of Weber's, partially due to their machining processes. I like the handle, in fact I liked iKon's bamboo handle before that, but the price was inhibiting. Thankfully Weber is there to fill in the area of the market I am mostly focused on and manufactured a handle design I really like in a more affordable price to me. Will it shave worse? I highly doubt it...
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09-01-2012, 03:29 PM (This post was last modified: 09-01-2012 03:31 PM by biggiej42.)
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(09-01-2012 12:17 PM)razorx Wrote:  biggiej42: Is that the way you attached your Weber handle to the ARC head ? What sense does that make ? Almost a sure way to guarantee blade misalignment if you did.

See my first post in this thread,if anyone's being realistic,fair and even handed to both companies it would be me.

You can assemble it upside down, diagonal, left to right, or front to back and it will have the same play in the handle. No matter which way you assemble it, as long as the threads are aligned properly, it should be just fine. My threads were so messed up before I even assembled the razor. When I attempted assembly (mind you, I work on $70k engines all day long that I do not have the luxury of flipping over to make installing bolts upright possible), the threads felt as if they were being crossed. Before applying any pressure, I pulled back and checked. Nope, not crossed at all (you'd see the begining of the thread start folding over if so). That, in my mind is not acceptable. I then had to break out my tap and die, and clean the threads up. I even ran a tap into my Ikon handle, just to make sure it wasn't that, which it wasnt. The amount of gunk that came off of the weber threads was unreal.

If I didn't have these tools, I would have wound up with munged threads, and a boogered up Ikon handle.... So what about the owners that don't have a tap and die set?


Mind you, as I've stated in a previous thread, the shave is excellent. However, there should not be any extraordinary measures taken to ensure that the head screws into the handle properly, that's just poor quality.
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09-01-2012, 04:50 PM (This post was last modified: 09-01-2012 04:51 PM by razorx.)
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RE: New Weber Razor Stainless Steel "Wave" Handle
(09-01-2012 03:29 PM)biggiej42 Wrote:  
(09-01-2012 12:17 PM)razorx Wrote:  biggiej42: Is that the way you attached your Weber handle to the ARC head ? What sense does that make ? Almost a sure way to guarantee blade misalignment if you did.

See my first post in this thread,if anyone's being realistic,fair and even handed to both companies it would be me.

You can assemble it upside down, diagonal, left to right, or front to back and it will have the same play in the handle. No matter which way you assemble it, as long as the threads are aligned properly, it should be just fine. My threads were so messed up before I even assembled the razor. When I attempted assembly (mind you, I work on $70k engines all day long that I do not have the luxury of flipping over to make installing bolts upright possible), the threads felt as if they were being crossed. Before applying any pressure, I pulled back and checked. Nope, not crossed at all (you'd see the begining of the thread start folding over if so). That, in my mind is not acceptable. I then had to break out my tap and die, and clean the threads up. I even ran a tap into my Ikon handle, just to make sure it wasn't that, which it wasnt. The amount of gunk that came off of the weber threads was unreal.

If I didn't have these tools, I would have wound up with munged threads, and a boogered up Ikon handle.... So what about the owners that don't have a tap and die set?


Mind you, as I've stated in a previous thread, the shave is excellent. However, there should not be any extraordinary measures taken to ensure that the head screws into the handle properly, that's just poor quality.

Right but if there's any doubt about anything threading together properly it's important to be sure alignment is correct from the start and as it threads together and that's best accomplished working with gravity rather than against it.

I've experienced that attaching the iKon Bulldog handle to vintage Gillette heads.Make sure it starts threading properly,screw down without pressure letting it find it's way assisted by gravity and you're good to go with most anything.

Not sure what the deal was on your Weber,mine wasn't gunked up like that.I had one of the early DLC Bulldogs,and like many customers have said, noticed some play when screwing on the handle and was concerned until I put it away and checked some of my old Gillette 3 piece razors and noticed there's play in them also when you screw the handle down if you're looking for it----> But it's not anywhere near as noticable because the vintage hollow brass Gillette handles are considerably lighter than the solid 316 Marine Grade stainless steel material Weber's using.

I figured it was pretty much the same deal,the Weber tightened down securely and stayed that way until I unscrewed it same as my decades old Gillettes.
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09-02-2012, 05:33 PM
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Play in the handle would follow suit with poor machining tolerances. Poor threading on both the male and female ends as well. In a "luxury" priced razor, that's unacceptable.

I've seen plenty of threads stripped using gravity as a guide as well, although I do understand what you are saying. However, there's multiple complaints about the threading, and most of which come from shavers who own a multitude of other razors that thread together as well and do not have these issues.
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09-02-2012, 06:56 PM
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I would assume that the OD threads on a Weber head are likely different than the ID threads on their handle due to the handle being sold to be used with multiple brand heads. Bob used to do this as well so his handles would fit multiple brand heads.

Regardless of whether or not folks end up with an iKon bamboo or WeberBoo handle, I'm giving the props to Greg for designing one of the most comfortable handles I've ever used.
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09-02-2012, 07:28 PM (This post was last modified: 09-02-2012 07:44 PM by Bruce.)
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(08-31-2012 04:51 PM)Aaron622 Wrote:  Looks like IKON is getting a bit of their own medicine. Wouldn't have thought that ugly handle was worth copying though.

HA...that made me laugh. Biggrin
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09-02-2012, 08:01 PM
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Looks like Weber is the only place to get a Bamboo style SS handle.
Anyway, you know what they say: plagiarism is a form of flattery.
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09-02-2012, 09:52 PM
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(09-02-2012 06:56 PM)Shanman Wrote:  I would assume that the OD threads on a Weber head are likely different than the ID threads on their handle due to the handle being sold to be used with multiple brand heads. Bob used to do this as well so his handles would fit multiple brand heads.

Yes, exactly what I was thinking...anyone selling a handle by itself would want it to be compatible with as many heads as possible.
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09-03-2012, 06:39 AM
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If this is Weber's idea of compatibility, proven by the "fit" of their own handle on heads, they lost me as a customer.
Mind you there are still vintage collectors attracted by their products.

I don't have many razors to check the fit but from what I have I can tell you this:
Feather handle fits perfectly (I mean almost no play, highest thread fit class) to DE89 and Muhle. It also goes smooth with minimal play on both Merkur heads, open and closed comb (15C/25C and 23C/33C).
Merkur long and short handle goes with minimal play on all the razor heads I have (Feather, Merkur, DE89 and Muhle).
iKon Bulldog handle has the most play of all handles but it is also not excessive, less than half of the Weber.
So, if the Bamboo/Wave handle from Weber has the same thread fit class as their Bulldog, there will be some unhappy customers. Will wait and see.
On the other hand, it will probably fit very loose on all heads from 1920 to present time.
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09-03-2012, 07:22 AM
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I guess I'm just not as picky as some. I'm not going to get too worked up because it wobbles some while I put it on. The thing tightens down fine and isn't loose at all when I shave with it. Comparisons to Feather, iKon, Pils, etc. are a little unfair because they cost $200 compared to $70 for the Weber.

Mind you, I agree that (of course) the issues with poor threading and plating on the threads such as what Justin experienced are absolutely unacceptable. I can tell you that I've communicated with Ed about a different issue, and he stands behind his work; he will take it back in a heartbeat and issue a prompt refund.

But the bottom line for me is, I shaved with the DLC yesterday and it was phenomenal--without exaggeration probably the best shave I've ever had. Seriously. Smooth and close, with zero nicks or weepers. The head wobbling some while I put it on doesn't affect that one bit. There are a ton of different razors out there, and some work for some and not others (YMMV, of course), but for me, I haven't found anything that shaves better than this--and for $70 I think it's a fair compromise of price and quality. Perfect, no--good enough, yes--and the shave is what counts the most to me: fantastic.
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09-03-2012, 07:44 AM
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I wish I wasn't that picky so I could enjoy this razor as I too believe it delivers a great shave.
When it comes to compare it with higher-end razors, if you consider an iKon that has tiny manufacturing flaws being sold at $90 vs Weber with finish, plating, casting, fitting issues at $70 ... I think they get pretty close in price, but not value. YMMV, as you said.
I too agree that Weber has excellent communication and customer service and I hope we only bring useful feedback and constructive criticism. After all, I want that razor at that price with higher quality, that's all.
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09-03-2012, 08:01 AM
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Why can't iKon bring it's prices down even lower than the Weber? The manufacture is with old machinery in Thailand, a country with seriously low wages.
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09-03-2012, 04:51 PM (This post was last modified: 09-03-2012 04:53 PM by razorx.)
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(09-02-2012 06:56 PM)Shanman Wrote:  I would assume that the OD threads on a Weber head are likely different than the ID threads on their handle due to the handle being sold to be used with multiple brand heads. Bob used to do this as well so his handles would fit multiple brand heads.

Regardless of whether or not folks end up with an iKon bamboo or WeberBoo handle, I'm giving the props to Greg for designing one of the most comfortable handles I've ever used.

Finally the voice of reason,I remembered something about designing the handle to fit with multiple heads...think I read an account of someone who communicated with Ed Weber on this,but too unsure of my recollection.

(09-03-2012 08:01 AM)lindyhop66 Wrote:  Why can't iKon bring it's prices down even lower than the Weber? The manufacture is with old machinery in Thailand, a country with seriously low wages.

Well you'd need to also consider the cost involved in using the Less Expensive injection/cast or sintering process.(ie molded stainless steel that them requires a protective coating) that's how the Weber heads are produced and why they can be sold at a lower price point,Feather AS D1 and also the iKon OSS are also produced that way,but the the other iKon products were Machined Stainless Steel (or aluminum) and that's more costly.

My perception is that iKon is looking towards moving further away from machined stainless steel towards the sintering process.At least that's what was announced for production of the new Bulldog Open Comb Deluxe Razor's head and then paired with a machined SS handle.

Bottom line however is if Feather's getting around $200 bucks for a molded and coated stainless steel razor
wouldn't it be ludicrous of iKon to not sell for what the market's willing to pay ???
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09-04-2012, 10:17 AM
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RE: New Weber Razor Stainless Steel "Wave" Handle
I got the "Wave" today! I've never had the Ikon "Bamboo" but from pictures it looks practically identical.

Here's a few pics:

The Weber "Bulldog" and "Wave" side by side. They're both the same length with the "wave" being slightly lighter but still feels great in hand.
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A couple pictures with a FaTip head:
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A couple with Ikon S3S head:
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And one of my favorites: A Gillette Old Type head with a advert for Ivory Soap
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09-04-2012, 10:39 AM
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Looks great! Hopefully mine arrives in today's mail as well!
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