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review: initial use of Weber ARC razor w/Bulldog handle
07-27-2012, 08:14 AM
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RE: review: initial use of Weber ARC razor w/Bulldog handle
(07-27-2012 01:26 AM)biggiej42 Wrote:  My Tradere is nothing short of perfect, all of my Ikons have been flawless (even the ones sold at discount for minor flaws), and my feather asd1 was immaculate.

If I can spend $30/40 on a new EJ, then I'd better be able to get perfection for twice that amount.

I'm not going to be an apologist for Weber, and your viewpoint is certainly valid, but a few things to take into account:

• iKons, Traderes, and Feathers are all solid Stainless (and also more expensive) so obviously there won't be any issues with plating/coating (note that there aren't any complaints with the Weber stainless bulldog handles).

• EJ, Mühle, etc. are big companies with much larger production runs. I'll bet there are limited resources at play with Weber and I consider it more of an "artisan" product, so I'll cut them a little more slack.

• The Merkur razors (and Fatip as well) have always had some issues with plating quality (although most of those are admittedly cheaper).

Do I wish my ARC head was perfect? Of course. But it's a fine line between what's acceptable and what isn't.

I did notice the warranty says:
"Weber Razor LLC warrants our razors to its original purchaser for a period of one (1) year from the date of purchase against defects in material and workmanship. Our warranty does not cover damage due to improper use, normal wear and tear (e.g. scratches) as well as defects that have a negligible effect on the operation of the razor. To obtain service within the warranty period, simply ship the razor with a copy of your sales receipt to Weber Razor and we will repair or replace the defective part."

So it looks like returning it for minor manufacturing issues could be met with resistance.

In any event, I shaved with the ARC last night and it was excellent. I would give the build quality higher than your 5--it's perfect except for the slight coating imperfections. Maybe a 7 or 8. And I agree with your 9 for shave quality :)
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07-27-2012, 08:28 AM
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Looks like a nice razor, good review. I've been thinking of picking up a Weber handle.
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07-27-2012, 02:14 PM (This post was last modified: 07-27-2012 02:17 PM by Fourcooks.)
Post: #23
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Here are both of my Webers. Both are from the first run production. Excellent quality.


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07-27-2012, 04:15 PM
Post: #24
RE: review: initial use of Weber ARC razor w/Bulldog handle
(07-27-2012 08:14 AM)greyhawk Wrote:  
(07-27-2012 01:26 AM)biggiej42 Wrote:  My Tradere is nothing short of perfect, all of my Ikons have been flawless (even the ones sold at discount for minor flaws), and my feather asd1 was immaculate.

If I can spend $30/40 on a new EJ, then I'd better be able to get perfection for twice that amount.

I'm not going to be an apologist for Weber, and your viewpoint is certainly valid, but a few things to take into account:

• iKons, Traderes, and Feathers are all solid Stainless (and also more expensive) so obviously there won't be any issues with plating/coating (note that there aren't any complaints with the Weber stainless bulldog handles).

• EJ, Mühle, etc. are big companies with much larger production runs. I'll bet there are limited resources at play with Weber and I consider it more of an "artisan" product, so I'll cut them a little more slack.

• The Merkur razors (and Fatip as well) have always had some issues with plating quality (although most of those are admittedly cheaper).

Do I wish my ARC head was perfect? Of course. But it's a fine line between what's acceptable and what isn't.

I did notice the warranty says:
"Weber Razor LLC warrants our razors to its original purchaser for a period of one (1) year from the date of purchase against defects in material and workmanship. Our warranty does not cover damage due to improper use, normal wear and tear (e.g. scratches) as well as defects that have a negligible effect on the operation of the razor. To obtain service within the warranty period, simply ship the razor with a copy of your sales receipt to Weber Razor and we will repair or replace the defective part."

So it looks like returning it for minor manufacturing issues could be met with resistance.

In any event, I shaved with the ARC last night and it was excellent. I would give the build quality higher than your 5--it's perfect except for the slight coating imperfections. Maybe a 7 or 8. And I agree with your 9 for shave quality :)

It was an excellent shave, no doubt about that.

It's unfortunate that the quality of the head/threads is sub par for the price point, but I will still continue to use it.

I can't give leeway to poor construction, and seeing another member with the same head defect proves that it isn't a fluke. Artisan objects can usually be forgiven for non symmetry, and minor flaws. However, this isn't a hand machined piece of metal, no one sat there and carved it. This is a machining issue that wasn't addressed.

The threads of the head, come on, how long does it take to chase the threads with the proper die? Granted it took me a minute or so, but it shouldn't have been delivered that way.

It is a good looking razor, it's an excellent performer, but at it's price point, I find it inexcusable to have the flaws that mine did.

IMO, more should have been done to ensure each razor/head sent out was in perfect as designed condition.
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07-28-2012, 05:32 AM
Post: #25
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Very slight imperfections, not cheap but the shave is wonderful. Looking forward to the DLC upon it's return. I see Michael Ham (Leisureguy) is a big fan as well. I'm really excited about these new products from Ikon, Weber, the new Simpson creams coming. I have heard rumblings that there is not much excitement in the wetshaving community these days but I think the enthusiasm and products coming out are great.
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07-28-2012, 07:18 PM
Post: #26
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Sorry to hear about the defects of the Weber ARC heads, I bought my ARC from this last batch and its perfect. My DLC from the first batch is perfect as well. Seems like Weber had a slight lapse in QC? It is my current favorite razor that's not an open comb.
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08-20-2012, 09:50 AM
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[attachment=5197]I have really come to know this ARC recently and I don't think I can top it. The poor Gillette's are just staring at me with mournful eyes. I have come to appreciate this head design all over again and am using the Merkur HD for travel. The Weber has refined and honed my technique with the 34C. The Weber is simply the smoothest DE I have ever used. I pair mine with an Ikon Bulldog barrel as I find it smoother and closer in color to the ARC. Hopefully Ed Weber will sell just the ARC heads again. It will be great to pair one with a UFO!
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08-20-2012, 10:04 AM
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James and Stuart-

What I'd like to know is "What are you guys using for a camera/lens to get such nice shot?"

I've tried a Nikon point and shoot as well as a newer Sony and still can't get decent close up pix. Any tips or help?

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08-20-2012, 10:32 AM
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Leica or a basic Cannon EOS 20 D.
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08-20-2012, 11:47 AM
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(08-20-2012 10:32 AM)VTMAX Wrote:  Leica or a basic Cannon EOS 20 D.


Canon EOS. Ouch!
Leica. Double Ouch!

I was hoping for some ideas for the cheap seats.. Wink

MaxP
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08-20-2012, 12:28 PM
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MaxP,

Wife's the photographer and has dragged me into her world. Ouch indeed!
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08-20-2012, 12:34 PM
Post: #32
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Canon Powershot. Just a point and shoot--it has its limitations, certainly--but it's pretty good if the light is OK.
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08-24-2012, 04:26 PM
Post: #33
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I have the DLC head, but want to get my hands on the ARC too. Anyone have any idea when they might be back in stock?
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